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onion_grower:
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onion_grower:
There was confusion about the fire department on Curt Largent show this weekend. Has the chief been a guest on Free Fire?
onion_grower:
Firemen are trained in basic life support, a much lower standard than paramedics. Paramedics can start IVs, give drugs, put in endotracheal tubes, which BLS can't.
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Angel:
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Angel:
Good morning OG
onion_grower:
A paramedic told me the firemen are basically there for lifting support when a 350+ pound fatty has to be lifted into the ambulance.
Angel:
Just to be clear, Curt gets his information from having watch Emergency
onion_grower:
We need to hear from the fire chief.
Angel:
watched
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onion_grower:
I think the fire department has too many captains and they are paid too much. They could do the job with more journeymen. Funds could be shifted from fire budget to hire more police patrolmen.
Angel:
I would love to hear from the fire chief or county fire
onion_grower:
Instead of sending a fire truck to medical calls, they could send two people in a police car with 100,000 miles. One fireman could stay at the station with the engine.
Angel:
They rarely defend their budgets, why, because of fires, and how quickly they can destroy towns, cities, etc and everybody has seen them
Angel:
In Sunnyvale, the officers are also fire fighters, gear is in the trunk
Angel:
They have fire truck their but they do both
onion_grower:
It just takes one person to drive the fire truck. The rest of the crew could get their by car.
onion_grower:
The RPD officer arrested for DUI this weekend is 44, employed for 15 years. He must have been passed over for promotion. Why?
Angel:
Well we do know with a 16 min response time to emergencies the likelyhood of them getting to the fire before the town burn down is pretty good
Angel:
Some officers like being in patrol, what was the name?
onion_grower:
There could be more police and fire if the forces weren't so top heavy with firecaptains, police lieutenants and sergeants.
onion_grower:
Top heavy police and fire mean massive unfunded pension liability.
Angel:
I know lot of officers who didn't or wouldn't take the Sgt test.
onion_grower:
The KRCRTV website has details about the DUI.
Angel:
I don't think the public really understands the duties and responsibilities of these positions. It's easy on the outside looking in to ask the question why, and not too much you can say that helps the understanding
ProducerBadBob:
odd...you were just saying the organizations are topheavy...then imply that the officer not being promoted somewhow indicates a character fault.......
ProducerBadBob:
:: scratches head::
onion_grower:
In the private sector, the rule of thumb is one supervisor for ten at the lower level. A "flatter pyramid" has many advantages. It empowers people to do more with less supervision. When you have been on the job for five years, how much supervision do you really need?
Angel:
How many people in the private sector carry guns?
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Angel:
or are responsible for cime scenes, or have to deal with hostage situations, man with a gun calls, tactics for any given number of emergency calls?
onion_grower:
In nursing, lab, radiology at the hospitals, life and death decisions are made with a low ratio of supervisors.
Angel:
I never felt their were not enough sgt's, I always looked for them because they were the decision makers, the brass on the other hand.....
Angel:
I don't believe to the degree
Angel:
the public is not affected by their decisions
onion_grower:
Experienced patrolmen should be empowered to think for themselves. In the U.S. armed forces, NCOs are empowered to make decisions without referring everything to commissioned officers, one of the reasons the U.S. has the best in the world.
Angel:
They absolutely do
Angel:
Their life depends on their decisions
Angel:
I think Chief Paloetti does a great job justifying the positions on his department, as scaled back as they are and I can't imagine the dept functioning with less
Red:
MIAP one of those programs that evil Tea Party is part of
onion_grower:
I think the Fire department could replace one captain with a journeyman. The savings would allow the police department to add one patrolman.
onion_grower:
The force structure we have in the fire department and the pay scales are because of work rules the unions won in the big cities.
Red:
There is a lot we could do Onion to restructure and find solutions
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Angel:
I think it is a great idea, as long as you are willing to understand how the structure works, laws that affect what they do, then come up with solutions.
Angel:
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Angel:
Good morning Sun
onion_grower:
The private sector has 10 to 1. Public service has 3 to 1. The private sector has restructing when there is a budget crunch or merger or consolidation. They have found from experienced that they don't need so many supervisors. The police and fire never have restructuring, so they don't know that
onion_grower:
I went through a major restructuring. It was difficult, but after a year, everyone agreed it was a good idea.
onion_grower:
The Record Searchlight is Redding's most admired institution. They don't have one editor for every three deliverymen.
Sungold:
Good Morning, had to catch up on the conversation
onion_grower:
Schools don't have a principal or vice principal for every three teachers.
Sungold:
I used to have a satellite office at Firestation 5 when working for RPD, the fireman have a tremendous amount of down time. Some were taking extra classes and they could do their homework at the station, or watch TV.. polish their boots
Angel:
I think your arguements make sense but again, they are not emergency services, there are a lot of reasons behind the staffing, I think the police department has restructured, including their priorities
Sungold:
I always wondered what else they could be doing,..then I learned that the public can request a fireman to come to their home and do an inspection for fire hazards, and other stuff like hot plugs
Angel:
The fire department is a different beast, complicated because of the equipment and mutual aid but I say, hey if you think they cannot justify their positions, look at their budgets understand what they do and go for it.....
Sungold:
Since they are on call all the time they have to make sure the station is covered...but they still have lots of down time
Angel:
The City council year after year look at their budgets and they see fit to fund them
Sungold:
They spend much time on the trucks too, keep them really clean, and check the equipment daily
Angel:
They do have down time, lots of it, the trick is to make it all work
Angel:
I never understood how they justified their work schedules, in my city 10-days a month
Sungold:
Then there is the training that goes on, new recruits, high school kids who come in to learn how to do the hoses. Those hoses are a pain to take care of.
Red:
Anybody know WHO built those houses at Mary Lake? I do. He sits on City Council now.
Sungold:
At station five they worked on hoses and ladders, and taking care of equipment
Sungold:
Who is it Red?
onion_grower:
They should make small changes and see if it works. Our work rules and force structure basically came from union concessions in SF and Oakland.
Red:
Brent Weaver
Angel:
And your point Red?
onion_grower:
One less fire captain. One more police patrolman. The unions would squawk, but it would work.
Angel:
I agree OG, trying different things to reduce budgets
Sungold:
People who buy in areas such as gun ranges, airport, etc. are well aware of the issues that will happen
ProducerBadBob:
I'm sorry but the range is like an airport. it's been there a long time, it was listed on the disclosures when people bought their house if the Realtor did Due Diligence.
Red:
When homes are being struck by bullets causing a possible liability issue for the contractor that built the homes in the line of fire now sits with the authority to make a decision regarding the situation it represents a conflict of interest
Sungold:
People, also need to do the due diligence, it is stupid not to
Angel:
You don't think saftey of the folks is a priority, can't imagine not make a decision about stray bullets. If I understoof the association, they have a solution
Sungold:
We wanted to buy outside of the flood plain, so we made sure we did, we knew we would be near the airport but it has not been an issue
Angel:
I do know the range is disclosed
Red:
That is the question is it not Angel? If the council finds there is a safety issue it opens a can of worms for the contractors that built there as my understanding the danger was not disclosed to home buyers. quite the opposite actually as they were assured the range was safe
Sungold:
as are airports. We looked up the the area of the range many years ago, we chose not to go there
Angel:
The document that is required on all home sales discloses the range
Sungold:
One has to think for themselves Red and do their own due diligence, not rely on what others tell them
Red:
So people should not trust disclosure statements? Why have them then?
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Sungold:
It is always good to go around knowcking on doors, and talking with the neighbors......go on walks in the area you are looking at, and strike up conversations with other walkers works great, as well
Angel:
Regardless, they are building a structure to ensure the problem is solved
Angel:
I am not sure what you mean Red
Sungold:
Sure they should disclose, but they must tell the truth, not just say the range is safe.
Sungold:
What does that mean, anyway....the noise was a huge factor for us
Red:
Ok Sun, so if they lied on the disclosure, does that not present a legal issue to the liar?
Sungold:
Red, disclosures can be made, but you know very well, that the issues can be diminished by the use of words, happens all the time
Sungold:
I say it again, we have to think and research for ourselves, cover our own butts!
Red:
does that changing from being a lie, because it was cleverly disguised by verbiage?
ProducerBadBob:
problem will not be solved. The clueless want guns to go away and pretend that bad people don't exist.
Angel:
It is a document that is not prepared by the Seller, required for every sale.
ProducerBadBob:
they are merely misunderstood
ProducerBadBob:
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Red:
Now you're getting it Angel
onion_grower:
http://www.redding.com/news/local-news/exfire-captains-child-molestation-trial-under-way_83678560
Angel:
ok
Sungold:
We have bought a lot of buildings, and I can tell you that one cannot do too much research. You have to take a good look at everything, talk to the fire department for advice, check with the PD for crime stats, inspect the building once, even twice, it is amazing what folks try to cover up
Angel:
Exactly, it is up to they buyer to read the disclosures and sign off on them
onion_grower:
Anewscafe had an interesting story on Jefferson. Jefferson is just slightly different from tea party. Old white people. The article even mentioned smell of urine, maybe from leading depends.
Red:
Angel what repercussions are there for lying or failing to disclose information during a home sale?
Angel:
aIf the Seller lies the buyer has a course of action
onion_grower:
Leaking depends
Red:
ok
Sungold:
Example, a building in SAC we just purchased had a ladder in back, no one knew what it was for. Our son went up and found out local kid were partying on the roof. All kinds of beer cans, and other paraphernalia up there
Red:
so if they lied about the safety issue about the range, the buyer has recourse
Angel:
Civil remidies Red
Sungold:
Even the building inspecter did not tell us about it.
Angel:
Absoluelty
Red:
ok
Angel:
You do realize attorney's jump all over that stuff
Red:
now one of the entities that can identify and admit to the problem would be the City Council correct?
onion_grower:
State of Jefferson is just get out the vote for republicans.
Angel:
It would be up to the Seller Red
Angel:
I believe the association owns the range
Red:
who would the seller take that issue to for a remedy?
Angel:
If the Seller feels it wasn't properly disclosed to them they can also hire an attorney
Red:
And would that remedy not possibly include financial compensation from the owner of the range, seller and builder of the house?
Angel:
Attorneys love this stuff Red, they would dig in and show the builder negligence
Sungold:
Google Earth is a great tool for poking around any neighborhood too, you find out so much
Angel:
I agree Sun, use it all the time
Red:
and that may be something that is coming. My point is when one of the builders possibly liable sits on city council making a determination that there is a safety issue would be a conflict of interest would it not?
Angel:
It's like railroad tracks, they show up in NHD reports, people still buy homes next to them.....do you think they realize how many hazardous materials are moved on these tracks?
Red:
was that a yes or a no?
Sungold:
The range has been there for decades........why did City of Redding allow building in the area
Angel:
I guess if there was a conflict Red he would ultimately have to recuse himself, but a law suit wouldn't address the council
Sungold:
City approved the subdivision in the area, building plans were approved, people knew the range was there, surly they heard the noise
Red:
it would include the City, as Sun just pointed out the City allowed the zoning and the permits, the owner of the range is basically the city...
Sungold:
Would the blame not start with the City?
Angel:
It is getting more complicated and I hope the solution fixes the problem for all the folks living there
Red:
And where would Duvernay try to push that responsibility off too?
Sungold:
But has the City always owned the range? Who put it out there in the first place?
Red:
It was joint between the County Sheriff and RPD
Red:
County pulled out sometime ago because of the safety issue
Angel:
Oh well, I guess we will look oforward to hearing all about it
Angel:
Have to run, have a good day!
Red:
I agree Angel, I just hope the safety of those that live there is put first
Red:
Good day Angel
onion_grower:
The cheapest solution may be to move the range five miles or so. The increased property values might help pay for it. Cheaper to keep it out of court.
Sungold:
Once the City allowed building out there, they should have found a better place for the range. They should have known or thought it all through before allowing the development of housing with families and children
ProducerBadBob:
When have the powers that be around here actually thought something through? Just askin'.
Red:
Ha Bob....you're so cynical
Sungold:
Have to go.
Red:
Good Day Sun
onion_grower:
In our system, they only think about the next election. Or in the case of city manager, the time until he will be retiring. No reason to think long term.
Red:
Jefferson is just old white guys huh Onion? Just Republicans...really? Where did you come by that determination?
onion_grower:
That is what they were saying on Anewscafe.
Red:
Ahhh...a prime source of info. lol
onion_grower:
Anewscafe and Record Searchlight are good sources to find out what liberals are thinking and saying to each other.
Red:
yes...the poor Searchlight. If you look at what Searchlight once was it's a microcosm of what has happened to the North State
Red:
28% the size it used to be, 28% the readership
Red:
Where as the Lantern is growing
onion_grower:
This year the paper will be restructuring. Scripps merged with Journal co. They kept the profitable TV stations in one division. Spin off the newspapers into another.
Red:
we are partner with another paper in the South to expand our reach, quite excited for the future
Red:
And left the Searchlight with no overhead...will keep them afloat...for a while
Red:
*partnering
onion_grower:
The RS has a huge advantage. People have to pay for bankruptcy and foreclosure notices in the paper.
Red:
Something we are adding soon ourselves
Red:
Plus we are adding writers, we've got Katie Grimes from Flashreport now and will soon have Chris Street who writes for Breitbart
onion_grower:
There is still one guy in my neighborhood who gets the paper. When I am walking the dog I look at it. Hardly any ads.
Red:
People still love their paper Onion, they are just tired of reading crap
onion_grower:
I read WSJ online, Flash Report, RCP
Red:
Yeah Flash Report is fantastic for California news
Carl:
Flash report--who puts it out?
Red:
Flash Report
Red:
http://www.flashreport.org/
onion_grower:
You should copy Doug Craig. He uses a bizarre combination of bold, all caps, colors and comments on his own stories with another name.
Red:
Hey, hey now easy on Trinity
onion_grower:
The good doctor uses more than one name to comment on his own stories, but still uses the trademark colors, fonts, etc
Red:
299 rebuild is for the port and rail network going into Humboldt
Red:
https://shastalantern.net/2015/03/state-of-jefferson-team-speaks-to-packed-house-in-el-dorado/
sflow:
anybody getting any rain ?¿?
Red:
Rained pretty good in El Dorado County this weekend