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Morning. Smart phone hates me today.
Ro.mind:
Try to say an official works for you on east coast....be ready to run.
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roadwarrior:
used to live there - would love to see it separate into multiple states
roadwarrior:
listening via internet while working
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Ro.mind:
Try WV that's a normal thing. Small roads and losing your vechicle or even people following you.
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Henry:
It is not double jeopardy
Henry:
The Hammond's did not recieve minium sentencing
Henry:
The Bundy's took over a fereral building, end of story
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Dan:
There are people in this county who actually support the Bundys even when they said they would kill or be killed
Henry:
We cannot support them
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ToddB:
The forest service has ARSONED 1,000s of acres of private property. NONE of them go to prison.
Henry:
It doesn't matter, this was not a prescribed burn
Henry:
They had a family member who admitted it was done on purpose and as fas as sentencing, they also get time served
ToddB:
We have judges appointed by liberals.....what did we expect?
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Dan:
There are plenty of people in jail federal prison who have set fires on fed property
Dan:
One that comes to mind is the son of a Police Chief who accidentally set a fire and he is in jail for life
Jarhead:
how many Dan ?
Henry:
If anyone had died during the fire would you feel the same? They were fighting a major fire at the time
Jarhead:
how many served what the courts gave them and then were ordered to re-enter prison on additional years ?
Dan:
I can google it but I gave one example
ToddB:
But Congress can't get laws through with the current White House.....OB will veto any good legislation.
Jarhead:
they were convicted and sentenced and served their time.... done... but that somehow wasn't good enough...
ToddB:
Our only choice is to get Trump into the White House.
Dan:
A jury found them guilty, you did not sit on the jury
Dan:
You also do not know the entire story!
Jarhead:
no Dan I did not...neither did you... but they were sentenced and they served their time...
Jarhead:
did they serve their time ?
Henry:
They did not meet minimum sentencing
ToddB:
Shasta Co needs to get a true conservative board of supervisors. Moty and Giacomini need to go.
Jarhead:
mimimum time for a terrorist ? is that the ground you want to stand on ?
Henry:
They were convicted of Arson
Henry:
The terrorists are the Bundy's
Jarhead:
if they would have been given 4 years from the start... I would have no problem... but to come back after with the terrorist label...is stupid
roadwarrior:
I dont trust any politicians on anything
Jarhead:
Henry...terrorists...why ?
Jarhead:
what do you do for a living Henry ?
Henry:
Resentencing happens often, the "People" demanded it in our laws
ProducerBadBob:
meantime the rioters in the cities were just expressing opinions...no crime.
Jarhead:
what people Henry ?
Henry:
The definition, it qualifies
Jarhead:
what do you do for a living Henry ?
Henry:
Retired, but I can tell you I have more education than some of those trying to wain support for the Bundy's
Jarhead:
do tell....what did you do before you retired?
Henry:
It is not relivant
Jarhead:
so that is your position on these people up there...uneducated, uninformed...?
Henry:
I understand the term terrorist, do you?
Jarhead:
you brought up your background and education
Jarhead:
more than you may think
Jarhead:
what oath have you taken in your life...to whom
Henry:
I am not sure what your saying, I said the community and the Hammonds do not want the Bundy's involved and do not condon their actions. The Bundy's took it upon themselves to occupy a Federal Building
ProducerBadBob:
Henry can I get you to call the station and defend your position? Your definition and your logic behind it.
ProducerBadBob:
Trish would like ot hear it.
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Red:
Sync
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ToddB:
Whenever the federal govt oversteps to that magnitude, ppl all over want to jump in.
Red:
Morning
Jarhead:
so that makes them terrorists ? because they are not from that area... what about the people in the streets of ferguson...very small city but way more individuals from out of the area...that makes them terrorists ? by your definition
Red:
Still waiting on the stream to buffer...
Henry:
I just hope for the sake of every community people do not listen to one perspective, they look at the issue and hear all sides to the story. The legislators backed out when the Bundy's rook over the building. The Hammonds were being helped up until that point
ToddB:
The Hammonds were just fearful of the good intentions of ppl that might interfere with their prison situation.
ToddB:
If the Bundys hadn't shown up the results could've been much different.
ProducerBadBob:
Todd you are also invited to call the radio station and lend your voice to the conversation ( it's why we have Talk Radio after all)
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:D
Jarhead:
I have ready everything that I have found on this issue and the people involved and have yet to find ANYTHING that would lead me to accept the terrorist label from anyone involved..
Henry:
I have to agree with that, they had a great deal of support and people were funding there effort
ProducerBadBob:
My thought is we throw the word Terrorist around WAY too easy right now...just sayin
Jarhead:
I agree Bob
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Henry:
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes
Red:
https://shastalantern.net/2015/12/civil-unrest-continues-to-build-around-eastern-oregon-rancher-case/
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Again...this station EXISTS as a platform for opinion...phone lines are OPEN...hint hint hint
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Jarhead:
Henry,,,you mean like Ferguson
Jarhead:
or blocking highways
Jarhead:
or taking over college campuses
Henry:
This is not the same issue and should not be compared
Jarhead:
only in your mind
Jarhead:
were there armed individuals in ferguson as part of the 'movement'
Henry:
People died in Ferguson, ignorance is not an arguement
Jarhead:
did they fire shots ?
Jarhead:
did they burn buildings ?
ToddB:
Sharon - this is another reason for State of Jefferson.
Gref:
It was the protesters who did all the damage in Ferguson
Henry:
Thugs,terrorist get the same respect, none!
Red:
Define Terrorist Henry
Gref:
I'd say the protesters in Ferguson are terrorists
Jarhead:
Gref.. you mean the terrorists...Henry has submitted a definition of Terrorists that n
Red:
No, they were criminals
Henry:
I did, Jarhead couldn't find it by googling it, I did the very first definition
Jarhead:
now includes the people that are in the news these days...including ferguson
Henry:
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes
Gref:
There's something wrong when the government goes after citizens for trespassing on got land in Nevada but give benefits to illegal aliens trespassing
Red:
So the Government are terrorists as well?
Henry:
Terrorist
Jarhead:
exactly... were they attempting to "intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes" in Ferguson
Jarhead:
of course they were...
Henry:
Your opinion Red?
Red:
Of which?
Jarhead:
when they block highways...take over college campuses...
Gref:
Red. You know it. Why did they bring out snipers?
Jarhead:
vague and ambiguous enough to be used by anyone wanting to enforce their own agenda
drmaria:
Of course you do Bob!! That's awesome Automation
Red:
The Fed us provoking a war in the West
Gref:
Jarhead, agreed
Gref:
The fed under bouncer declared returning vets as terrorists as well.
Gref:
Supposed to say o bummer
Henry:
I don't believe that to be true, I do think people are angry with the government due to the leadership.
Jarhead:
Henry...I just don't get the terrorist label...you portray yourself as 'more' educated then those involved but do not see the hypocrisy
Jarhead:
of your definition
Dan:
I don't feel provoked
Jarhead:
lol
Jarhead:
why would you
Henry:
I have not portrayed anything
Henry:
You can assume what you like
Jarhead:
didn't assume anything Henry...just took your definition and support of it
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Henry:
In fact I said, google it knowing the definition
Jarhead:
but you made it clear that you thought they were terrorists... you made that clear correct ?
Gref:
That's what I read.
Henry:
You have to have the presence of mind to look at the entire issue and not what is being spouted Sunday talk shows
Jarhead:
that what started this discussion... I was ok with the conviction...the original sentence and the time they served,,, but not the terrorist label
Henry:
They are by definition
Henry:
Who said they are good men?
Jarhead:
Henry if you are assuming I am one of those individuals that forms my opinions from sound bites and what the media feeds us...then you may not be as smart as you think
Jarhead:
I don't know any of them....I wouldn't call any of them good men unless I knew them
Henry:
I don't make assumtions in fact applaud your service to our Country
ProducerBadBob:
Henry...on the eve of WW2, local residents of Northern California and Southern Oregon took arms and blocked roads in the first State Of Jefferson Movement...by your litmus test, were they terrorists? And by extension do you apply that appelation to the current movement should the Feds show up in fo
ProducerBadBob:
force to discourage the will of those people?
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Henry:
I understand what your saying Bob, the definition of terrorism is the definition. The emotions or actions taken certainly can meet the definition
Gref:
A little more history: farmers in the 70s took up arms and sorrounded a court house, to protest a new tax.Henry's definition is terrorism
Red:
The Government meets the criteria for terrorists under Henry's definition, the difference is the consent of the people. But what when the people no longer consent.
Gref:
They then drive tractors to d.c and changed the law
Henry:
Each event will or did garner it's own support, in Burns there is no support from the community, from the legislators and there will not be until the Bundy's go away
ProducerBadBob:
Yet when hostilities broke out...many of those "Terrorists" answered the call, and died for their country. Point being that absolute black and white definitions are the refuge of the totalitarian.
Henry:
There is the issue, going from an incident in Oregon to calling the government terroist
Jarhead:
the silent majority is slowly waking up...and definitions and actions that were once ignored are no longer going to ignored or tolerated
Gref:
Roger tgat
Gref:
That
Jarhead:
Henry...you don't see anything wrong with that definition ?
Jarhead:
what are the ladies talking about ? anybody...lol
Henry:
I am not about to leap from a civil issue to the government being terroist
Jarhead:
just focus on the definition..
Dan:
Smart don't bite
Jarhead:
if you were wrting the law and giving the definition....
Jarhead:
do you have any concerns with that definition and how it could be leveraged
Henry:
The definition stands by itself, even if you don't like the label
Jarhead:
so those in Ferguson could easily be charged as terrorists...
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Henry:
I will not do the comparison, there is none
ProducerBadBob:
For the record, I agree that the armed standoff is a stupid idea that does not help the process. They made their point and it's time to go home before someone gets REAL stupid.
Jarhead:
lol...whats the weather like in your world
Henry:
Time to pay attention to the guest
Jarhead:
does puting your head in the sand work well ?
ProducerBadBob:
I equate this situation to the MORONS who flaunted open carry in Starbucks and the result was even more dumb laws. What did that prove?
Henry:
Well above the sand I assure you
Jarhead:
as you keep telling us Henry...
Jarhead:
I agree Bob
Gref:
Has any stores been burned in Oregon yet? Cop cars damaged? They were in Ferguson!
ProducerBadBob:
The people who want to force armed confrontation with "The Government"...which by the say consists largely of working stiffs...need to be REAL careful what they are wishing for.
Gref:
Agreed
Jarhead:
Gref... I'm sure they are doing it...the media must be protecting them and not letting the story out...
Gref:
Lol
Jarhead:
lol
Gref:
Where's the farmers lives matter people at?
ProducerBadBob:
there appear to be equal number of folks who live in LaLaLand on the far right as on the far left...just sayin.
Jarhead:
they are on the farmers dating.com site...looking for a life partner
Gref:
Lol
Gref:
Lala land, isn't that Washington d.c.?
Jarhead:
agree Bob... but the pendulum needs to swing for change to occur... otherwise no one will agree to meet in the middle
Jarhead:
had the Hammonds just served their time (as they did) and were allowed to move on... this would have gone away...but the desire to make them party further and label them terrorists was what was needed to increase the momentum of the pendulum and will lead to change
Gref:
Too bad they weren't sent to gitmo. They'd be out with salaries and benefits
Jarhead:
necessary evil... like the gun issues and race issues...etc...
Jarhead:
lol...Gref...nice... or we could have traded them for someone,,,
Gref:
Right?
Gref:
On the plus side, at least the farmers have more rights now and free meals
Gref:
If they play nice they could move to California get benefits and better jobs