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46days: they have there own plans for it

46days: one time money....that is just a mind trick....no accounting rule attached to that reasoning

46days: I thought they were supposed to save any money so that they could drop rates for the users.....owners

46days: people aren't that STUPID... they understand that...don't be too impressed with yourselves...lol

46days: if they would be pushing the same measure they ran with last year.....it would pass this year...with the law to restrict how it would be used

46days: what if the pilot 6 million needs to go back...

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onion_grower: If D passes and Redding tries to transfer funds to the county for jail expansion, Walt McNeil would probably sue. Transfer would be tied up in litigation for at least as long as the PILOT litigation.

onion_grower: If not McNeil, some other litigator would see the road to riches. The only way to get what we need is a County inititiative or referendum in 2017.

onion_grower: We are being sold D for jail expansion, when if D passes, it will eliminate any chance of jail expansion for at least five years while it goes through the courts.

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ProducerBadBob: axe handles don't have serial numbers...

ProducerBadBob: Sometimes the Old Ways are preferable to our more enlightened society...

onion_grower: The county initiative would not have funds for RPD. We don't need more police, we need fewer criminals. Criminals have flooded into Shasta county because they get right out of jail.

ProducerBadBob: Mind you not condoning active vigilantism but...face it...we are about one Very Bad Thing away from going down that particular Rabbit Hole.

onion_grower: I would like to see two County initiatives or referenda on the ballot in 2017. One would be half percent for jail expansion. That would need 67% of the vote, but I think it could pass. The other would be for public safety, and the board of supervisors would have discretion, but it would only ne

onion_grower: only need 50% to pass. I trust the Board of Supervisors a lot more than Kurt Starman and Redding city staff.

onion_grower: Measure D is a scam. It is being sold as for jail expansion, but it guarantees there will be no jail expansion for at least five years.

onion_grower: Is there any legal precedent for a CA city raising taxes to transfer funds to the county for a jail? I doubt it.

ProducerBadBob: we encourage calls to Gary after 8 please. =)

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Sungold: Good Morning

Carl: Sunny--good or bad?

Carl: rr

ProducerBadBob: Gary is here and ready to answer questions!

onion_grower: I'll call after his opening remarks

46days: it increases 'every' year by 1.4 million at least

Sungold: Carl, not sure how to take it!

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cherrillclifford: Gary is in a difficult position. People do not want to hear the truth. He is the messenger who might get killed.

cherrillclifford: Good comment, Trish. They could have built it in Anderson. :-)

46days: yes...those beds will be built regardless

onion_grower: The only way to move the criminals out of Shasta and to Butte or Humboldt is jail expansion. A few more offficers, guardian angels, etc will keep them in the community, just moving from neighborhood to neighborhood.

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cherrillclifford: Yes, yes, yes, Trish! Get out of the way of entrepreneurs.

Russell: Privatize the Development Services Dept. to get jobs created.

cherrillclifford: Impact fees, etc. need to go. It has been completely unreasonable.

Sungold: I just heard this story the other day from my housekeeper...what a crock....totally ridiculous

cherrillclifford: Exactly, Trish, It has been "how can we make your life more miserable."

cherrillclifford: Ruined dreams, of property owners, are all over this county.

cherrillclifford: Yes, Gary, it's a culture. A good ole boy system.

Russell: The County refused a state grant to build a new jail. How can we justify now raising taxes ? If they didn't have money to run the jail then, where will they get it now ? Redding sales tax ?

cherrillclifford: "Stagnate" is an understatement.

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cherrillclifford: Agree with Russell.

Russell: How about an organized homeless camp to get them off the streets and out of the parks. Isn't chasing them around a waste of money and a non-solution ?

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cherrillclifford: Organized homeless camps have failed every place they have been tried.

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cherrillclifford: Vera Katz, former mayor of Portland, OR, was one of the first to try the organized homeless camp. It failed miserably. Portland has not been the same since.

ProducerBadBob: Soon as you "organize" and "Sponsor" an encampment, you become legally liable for everything that happens there. That is a FACT of the LAW.

Russell: Liability applies to all public property.

cherrillclifford: True Bob. And they become another entitlement group.

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Sungold: Susanville, San Diego and other cities have tried and failed. That certain element in the homeless population do NOT want rules, do NOT want responsibility and do NOT want anyone telling them what to do. When is Redding going to get it?

cherrillclifford: Ditto Sungold.

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cherrillclifford: Amen. Do not need anymore study committees.

Sungold: Just what RPD needs, another rats nest to respond to hundreds of times a month

cherrillclifford: Amen, Sungold.

ProducerBadBob: and under current law, it is not lawful to camp on public property. It happens because there is no way to hold the lawbreaker accountable. That would be many times worse in a "sanctioned" encampment where people who don't play nice with society are concentrated.

cherrillclifford: True comments about Weaver. 100% true.

Sungold: When their little comfortable nest gets filthy inside because they will not clean up after themselves, they will move back outside and the property owner will be responsible for yet another renovation of massive efforts.

Russell: Currently there are scores of rats' nests. Hard to deal with so many locales.

ProducerBadBob: Anyone recall Anderson Oaks?

cherrillclifford: If we do not have Gary there, we might never hear the entire truth about what is going on.

ProducerBadBob: The residents kicked out the walls so they could move from apt to apt unobserved...the building was so contaminated with meth chemicals it had to be bulldozed and haz-matted.

Sungold: The bleeding hearts want to nurture them, give them a nice clean nest to protect them. Wake up!