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Craig: Mornin

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Craig: Keep it California is apparently upset alleging that spokepersons for SOJ continue to indicate that there are 8 counties on board...

Craig: and reiterate that Lake and Lassen Counties havent signed declarations.

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jimmy: good morning SOJ

Craig: GM jimmy

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Da_Mouse: Good morning

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Da_Mouse: The Declarations are signed and have been given to the parliamentarian and senate andassembly :)

: A recent article in the Mountain Democrat (Placerville paper) used the word "secession" 3xs to describe our movement. Perhpas you could clarify the difference between separation and secession?

Da_Mouse: I can do that for ya :)

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Craig: The area of Jefferson is already a part of a state... Secession would imply that an existing state was departing from the union, seperation would indicate the existing state would be partitioned for the creation of a new state.

Craig: Dont mind the man behind the curtain...

RallySally: And the debt is much worse than we are shopwing!

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Craig: Yes the debt gets worse when you go shopwing.

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SteveBaird: $340B debt comes from the LAO's report of May 2014

RallySally: :)

Craig: Is there an online source where the declaration documents for all eight counties can be viewed online?

Da_Mouse: soj51.net

Da_Mouse: that would be your best bet

Craig: But not a public (.gov) site?

Da_Mouse: It would be on the county record

Da_Mouse: and probably on their websites as well if they upload the oducments

Da_Mouse: I dont believe that the state publishes those kinds of documents until legislation is written

SteveBaird: need to focus Mike on to get specific points

Craig: Too bad, it might be helpful to difuse KICPAC's disinformation.

Da_Mouse: Told him, Steve! :)

Da_Mouse: Hey Steve, do you know if the declarations are published on a .gov website

Craig: If it were anywhere it would be in the Secretary of State, correct?

Todd: I watched the presentation on Tuesday on-line, my highlights were the Sheriff's, and Mark Baird

Da_Mouse: Do you know the name of the Sheriff?

Craig: Agostini

Todd: Sheriff John D’Agostini

RallySally: YES! That was her.

jimmy: So there is hope for the future

RallySally: It sounded like someone had written his missive for him.

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Craig: I wonder where Sheriff Bosenko is on the subject of Jefferson statehood.

Todd: I also noticed at the end of the meeting , one of the Supervisors made a comment about how California's Legislators are all voted in on population based

Da_Mouse: That's an excellent question

jimmy: my wife just brought up an interesting point. Why doesnt the local media cover more of the SOJ movement?

Da_Mouse: They dont want to upset the status quo

Craig: Media has relegated SoJ as a quirky human interest story.

SteveBaird: I'm not sure if they've been published on .gov. I will have your answer by the next show. I know they are not on SOJ51.net. It only has voting results of the supervisors

Todd: Lots of hard work go in to it by all

Craig: I will be tuned in Steve.

Da_Mouse: Bosenko is fluffywhen it comes to Jefferson

jimmy: maybe it is a good thing to keep a lid on it in the local media until we get a set of tv and radio ads out. that way the rumours and misconceptions won't be drilled into the minds of the under/illinformed

Da_Mouse: Thank you steve

Craig: Bosenko is not our 'friend'.

jimmy: before we can bring out the facts

SteveBaird: ;)

jimmy: WHAT? Bosenko doesnt want SOJ?

Craig: You ever hear him publically support it?

Da_Mouse: no:(

RallySally: These commercials need to be on other programs too!

Craig: I wouldnt expect him to, certainly not without being pressed for it.

Da_Mouse: I'll ask bob if they are

jimmy: I would think he most of all would want it because the leaniency of California on repeat criminals and illegals would change BIG TIME

RallySally: I never hear them except on your program

Craig: Took five years to get him to admit on radio that he opposed open carry and would not issue licenses to do so.

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Jerocua: Good day all,

Da_Mouse: He does issue open carry

jimmy: GM Jerocua.

Craig: Really? would you care to point out who has recieved such a license to open carry from Tom Bosenko?

Da_Mouse: You just have to jump through a bunch of hooops and have a very specific reason/job for it

Todd: Good Morning

Da_Mouse: My father

Jerocua: GM, I have a question. Would Jefferson be a Constituional Carry state?

Da_Mouse: He has since moved but he had one

Da_Mouse: (as of last year at least)

SteveBaird: ...shall not be infringed

Craig: yeah... an occupational license to open carry is through the dept of consumer affairs for security guards.

Da_Mouse: *coughs* Amen, Steve

jimmy: interesting craig

Craig: Bosenko doesnt do that.

Da_Mouse: I'll see if I cant get mor einfo on it

Jerocua: I was told by a local Sherriff that the 2nd was something from the Cowboy days and not to be taken seriously. Im not joking.

Jerocua: How can I think they will take over a new state and anything would be any differnt

Craig: Well he is wrong 2 ways. 1) it was from our nations founding 2) rights never go out of style.

Jerocua: I only asked why we ask permission for a right to carry when it says keep and bear arms.

jimmy: i do have a question. how difficult and how long would it take to put people in SOJ political positions

Jerocua: The response was, Oh thats Cowboy days stuff.

jimmy: Rory Gallagher has a song called smear campaign that is spot on

Da_Mouse: We have an election next November

Jerocua: These same people now getting and folllowing fed policy will do it later Im sure.

jimmy: An SOJ election?

Da_Mouse: We cant have SOJ elections until we are a state

Da_Mouse: But every 2 or 4 years we choose our representation

SteveBaird: Pico Act of 1859 - 36th parallel - So CA state actually exits

SteveBaird: If state sovereignty really exits

Da_Mouse: Did we ever check if the county lines are the same as they were in 1859

SteveBaird: It's the straight line at the 36th p

SteveBaird: IT's at a minimum the territory of Colorado

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jimmy: just to make chit chat during the break. What do you folks see being on the SOJ state flag?

SteveBaird: Since the Governor signed it and validated it with a vote of the fewer that 12,000 residents of the time, it should be valid CA law

Jerocua: I just cant not comply, I must pay taxes. And If I carry without a ccw I would get a felony and Im just not willing to take this chance yet. I just yet have not become an outlaw.. Im here cause I want law...

jimmy: DUH ,what am I saying we already have a flag

SteveBaird: thanks for putting lid back on that can of worms (flag)

Craig: Actually, carrying without a carry license is a misdemeanor.

Jerocua: Thats interesting to know.

jimmy: carrying a loaded firearm concealed? or out in open/

Da_Mouse: Yes but it would still have to go through congress :)

Da_Mouse: @Jerocua: I respect that position strongly :)

Jerocua: ccw, I was here in El Dorado and currently submitted my appeal.

Jerocua: I had a warrent that was dimissed in 97 that I did not see when turning in my app

jimmy: I had a friend that had an SKS. the clip was out of it, but there was still one in the chamber. ( yes i know badbadbad) but they were going to charge him with a felony

Craig: Here is a story from a couple weeks back...http://www.actionnewsnow.com/videos/man-with-loaded-gun-at-chico-theater-released-charged/

Jerocua: So feel I am hiding info, This is what makes me look to move to AZ

Craig: SKS with detachable mags is a felony thanks to the Stockton schoolyard shooting

jimmy: sorry it was a zipper clip, my bad

Craig: Yeah, loaded weapons inside incorporated city limits is bad juju.

Da_Mouse: Before I had a CCW when I would drive extended distances (6 hours through mountain roads for example) I ensured I would be safe. Sometimes you just do what you have to but it's up to each person to decide where that line is

jimmy: sks with detachable mag is illegal, but an AR15 with one isnt? that doesn't make sense. OH wait we are talking about California,

Craig: Yeah. But the AR has to be 'featureless' or you have to have a bullet button.

Jerocua: Well I have much family in the Bay and although its prob the place I would need it most due to the laws/regs I just would not bring it.,. I live in Placerville and stay here.

jimmy: Yeah because we all know a bullet button is going to solve all our problems. GEEZ.

Craig: How many criminals have bullet buttons on their rifles?

jimmy: I am not arguing with you Craig i am being sarcastic. ;)

Craig: I read you 5x5.

jimmy: Oh yeah craig that is the main feature on a firearm when being purchased, stolen or traded for drugs when a felon aquires a firearm

Craig: I will stick around to ensure Jefferson is a ConCarry state that does not involve itself in anyones decision to be armed.