sflow:
free ad for the band b lol
sflow:
you guys should charge him for that lol !!!!
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sflow:
i hope this next show is live ?¿? !!!!
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eddie515:
Good afternoon all
DianeA:
forest fires, dying trees and lack of water direct result from mismanagement of feds
eddie515:
Amen Diane
DianeA:
usfs corruption has driven out the good guys
sflow:
they must be hurting for funds with all those late night radio ads lol?¿? !!!
DianeA:
rangers no longer are out in the forest - its all desk jobs
DianeA:
spotted owl data was pure fiction
eddie515:
All agencies are hurting, they want more money so they just think up more fees!
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DianeA:
end the fed, irs, usfs, blm all the alphabet
Erin:
Hi Diane!
eddie515:
BLM the worst
DianeA:
hi ya!
sflow:
well we keep losing acess to more fo our forest lands evey year lol
Erin:
I think you'll you'll be interested to learn how we got to that point
eddie515:
Less access more cost, Hmmmm?
DianeA:
all the cost is jobs and fire fighting industry - they dont want either o change
sflow:
cept this was all indian land they took over :_( !!!!
DianeA:
true that
Erin:
if all goes according to the plan of tribes today we'll give it all back so they can sell it back to us
eddie515:
Go back far enough, it was all indian land
DianeA:
flpma
sflow:
they dont fight fires .look up here .then they get out of control burns :_(
Erin:
The Kamath tribe is on the 3rd land grab
DianeA:
sorry you are right - i mean crews that take turns watching it burn
sflow:
dam straight
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DianeA:
lawsuits are enabled by equal justice act
DianeA:
end that act then lawyers won't get millions
sflow:
boob boo the the bear in the house hehe !!!!!
Boo:
Got your Six sflow.....
sflow:
^_^
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eddie515:
Get out your quiver, this is going to be interesting
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Boo:
Does my AR count eddie515?
Erin:
Hi Todd ;-)
Todd:
Hi Erin
Boo:
Fresh out of arrows because trees are not being cut!
Boo:
Ah Sachmo
eddie515:
They are getting all the ammo!
eddie515:
Damn Long Knives
Boo:
Afternoon to all
eddie515:
Afternoon Boo
sflow:
are we going to outlaw totem poles now ?¿? !!! :_(
Boo:
Took a ride up to Oak Run last week and man o man does that forest need some thinning!
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sflow:
have some fam up in oak run been there 40yrs
Erin:
You can really tell which land is public and which is private
eddie515:
Wilderness outlined by Congress, Monument oulined by the President
sflow:
first thing they did was fell some of the diggers up there !!!!
sflow:
too thick up there !!!!
Boo:
Good job, diggers have a very shallow root system.
eddie515:
Thats probably good
sflow:
plus they soooo damm tall lol
sflow:
look at most of the wind stroms we have gotten - diggers falling lol !!!!
Boo:
FYI for your guest I am a Certified Arborist (not current) and worked the forest lands for a utility company to prevent hazard trees too close to powerlines. I'm really interested in his background.
sflow:
cecpt for some old oaks that are dying !
eddie515:
Amazing they get so tall with such a shallow root. The wind must not blow enough
sflow:
that last storm in june i lost a 80 foot oak tree that was dying till i say it laying on its side .nevr new it was dying lol!!!!!!
Erin:
Yikes!
Erin:
Bet that was a big surprise
sflow:
green leave every yeary year ..hollow inside lol
Erin:
Was it near your house?
sflow:
yaaaa it missed the house by 10 fet lol
sflow:
feet
sflow:
took out the support wire on the power to the house lol
Erin:
TIMBER!!!!!
sflow:
lol yep
DianeA:
How do we change from a fire industry back to a resource industry?
Boo:
Great question Diane A.
sflow:
change the govt !!!!
Erin:
Going to go there with him. He's a smart guy on that topic !
sflow:
good goood
eddie515:
Staying on point
Divinemzm:
HR2647 is a beginning. It just passed the House. Thank you for having Ray on. He is a GOOD guy.
DianeA:
who authored HR2647?
sflow:
look at all the out of control burns they have had up here . they dam near burnt lewston down :_(
eddie515:
He knows the truth
Boo:
Resilient Federal Forests Act of 2015
sflow:
and that one to the east was worse lol
Erin:
It's been driving me nuts that he hasn't had time to come in until now. SO much good info
Boo:
DianeA it is Bruce Westerman R-AZ
DianeA:
Modification of existing fences in order to distribute livestock and help improve wildlife habitat.
DianeA:
What does that mean? its in the bill
sflow:
thats what is diff about the ufs they let them burn till they run wildfire for the help :_(
Boo:
Good comment Divinemzm
sflow:
no us indians were helping mother nature hehe
DianeA:
Construction of new and maintenance of permanent infrastructure, including stock ponds, water catchments, and water spring boxes used to benefit livestock and improve wildlife habitat.
sflow:
back then
DianeA:
that looks good
DianeA:
Use of herbicides, so long as the Secretary concerned determines that the activity is otherwise conducted consistently with agency procedures, including any forest plan applicable to the area covered by the activity
DianeA:
that sounds like monsanto giveme
sflow:
cecpt we didnt let them get that dammm big lol
DianeA:
Bond requirement as part of legal challenge of certain forest management activities.
DianeA:
that looks good
Boo:
NEPA, National Environmental Policy Act..sounds scary. Can you ask your guest about his view on this agency.
sflow:
nows it's good shroom and lady bug hunting hehe !!!!!!!
eddie515:
If you mismanage the budget, They fix it with more money
DianeA:
Payment of portion of stewardship project revenues to county in which stewardship project occurs
sflow:
bandaid effect lol
DianeA:
sounds good
Erin:
NEPA isn't an agency. It's a required process.
Erin:
We will get into that too. SO many ways to go today. I'm glad you guys are here.
sflow:
:_(
Divinemzm:
NEPA is the rules that the FS must live by. It states that the FS must live in harmony with man, which they keep forgetting because they are rules by radical enviros who sue them every time they can find a reason.
sflow:
:_) always here ernin
eddie515:
Right on Divinemzm
Boo:
Great point Divinemzm
eddie515:
Thats why we seldom harvest burnt timber,
sflow:
ask him why they are running all those radio ad's ?¿?
Erin:
Bingo D!
Divinemzm:
NEPA also says thwey must 'coordinate' with local governments but getting the local governments to hold them to it is nearly impossible.
Boo:
Sounds like our County BOS
eddie515:
Local govm. doesnt know how!
sflow:
simpson up here is hauling alot of burnt timber in shasta lake plant !!!!!!!
eddie515:
Coming from the Siskiyou fire?
sflow:
its got to be from last year burns !!!!
eddie515:
They have 12-18 months to get it to the mill
DianeA:
thinning forests will help with health of flora and fauna and help release water
Divinemzm:
Yes, BOS! Some counties are doing an excellent job but SC refuses to do it.
Erin:
Stay tuned for some numbers on all of that!!!
Boo:
Absolutely correct D
sflow:
no the fires to the east of us up here !!!!
Boo:
Have to go plant a small tree, listening....
Divinemzm:
Lassen County is working hard to get the trees that blew down several months ago to market. There were so many of them it looked like a war zone off A21 north of Hwy 44.
eddie515:
Great timing
sflow:
hell i cant even keep the fruit trees alive lol
eddie515:
I saw it, amazing to see huge trees blow down and get snapped off 5 feet from the ground
Divinemzm:
Erin, ask Ray where in HR 2647 they got the word coordination inserted.
eddie515:
It did look like a war zone
sflow:
the one in my backyard snaped 6 feet up
eddie515:
If you were in the woods that night, you would,nt have survived
Erin:
I'll ask him on the break about HR 2647 for you ;-)
eddie515:
Scary!
Divinemzm:
Thank you. I appreciate that.
sflow:
cecpt it was the main shade tree on the back deck lol !!!
sflow:
blocking that afternoon sun lol
eddie515:
I heard the wind on Hatchet Mt. was over 100mph
sflow:
that does that once awhile
eddie515:
I'll bet those windmills were spinning!
eddie515:
Or do they lock them down
sflow:
that june storm remined me of a hurricane or tornado is was the worst we have had up here in a very long time !!!!!!!!
eddie515:
It was very spotty, some areas didn't get hit at all
sflow:
the rain was sideways lol
eddie515:
The wind wasn't that bad in the valley
sflow:
only thing missing was the 1/4 size hail they said was coming lol
eddie515:
That would hurt
eddie515:
100mph hail would take the leaves off!
sflow:
the temp drop 25 degrees to under the 80'3 . it was 108 before it hit lol
Boo:
This past week in the House of Representatives we took on education reform, forestry management, and the devastating California drought.
sflow:
like i said i have lived in many states with tors and hurricanes . and that was bizzare storm up here lol
eddie515:
Where do you live?
sflow:
now shasta lake
Boo:
Erin, you know Doug is on top of the forestry issue.
sflow:
have naples fla hurricanes
Erin:
Ray isn't sure about the coordination language in the bill, sorry about that
sflow:
st louis tornadoes
sflow:
beaumont tx hurricanes
sflow:
only thing i havnt had mother nature hand me is a volcano hehe
sflow:
up here
eddie515:
There is still time for that
eddie515:
Lassen and Shasta are due
sflow:
i have had almost she has got hehe !!!!
sflow:
all
eddie515:
I've survived 3 floods
sflow:
i hate the media still saying mt lassen
sflow:
it was that but not after it blew its top lol
sflow:
we had flooding in fla and tx to
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sflow:
wb eddie :_)
eddie515:
It was Mt. Tehema first
Boo:
Me and some crazy buddies in 1965 surfed the outskirts of Hurrican Betsy in Daytona Beach, until we got kick off the beach by police..HAR
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Divinemzm:
Thank you.
eddie515:
ESA should be repealed
sflow:
like i said that june storm was diff for up here not not normal for this area lol
sflow:
coures it totally blind side 7r news lol !!!!!!
sflow:
sided
eddie515:
They weren't looking out the window that day
sflow:
lol not
sflow:
i still say august '88 has been the hottest up here
sflow:
we did hit 121 on 3 diff thermomters that day
Boo:
GO JUST BOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sflow:
they say all time is 118 notttttt !!!!
eddie515:
Spotted owl! That was a travisty
sflow:
erin they are not in the chatroom today hehe !
eddie515:
Shut down the local economy
sflow:
they didnt even go after red today lol
sflow:
or sorven show lol
DianeA:
It is NOT a predator!!!!! they interbreed BULLSHIT
DianeA:
bring back that topic barred owls are not predators of spotted owls - USFW know they interbreed
eddie515:
Don't listen to either
sflow:
ask him about el nono ?¿?
Erin:
will do Diane
DianeA:
overgrown forest uses water resource
Erin:
sorry, didn't see your note while we were on the owls. Had my eyes closed
sflow:
she sounds pissed hehe lol
Erin:
That's why we love Diane
Erin:
It's all part of her magic
DianeA:
I am because this is a HUGE farce
sflow:
tthrow any owl on the barbie hehe !!!
eddie515:
High dens. trees drink lots of water
DianeA:
artifically densified from no timber operations
eddie515:
10-4 Diane
sflow:
some smelt for the saltyness hehe and flavoring
eddie515:
People dont understand that
DianeA:
the reason they cant find smelt in delta is it migrates to ocean when water level is low DUH
eddie515:
The facts just make it confusing!
DianeA:
and critical for wildlife like deer elk
sflow:
can we use the smelt for bait deep sea fishing ?¿? !!!!!
eddie515:
I heard OR7 just had another litter of pups!
DianeA:
the deer and elk will be grazing and browsing if there are meadows between stands
DianeA:
breed longdogs and they will take care of wolves
eddie515:
There are going to be some hungry wolves
sflow:
or for the crab traps hehe !!!
eddie515:
Keep your kids close
DianeA:
dead and down from overgrown and lack of water due to being too crowded
eddie515:
So much to learn about fire health
DianeA:
lack of water - not ozone
eddie515:
We are really good at raising fire
sflow:
arent they baitfish to begin with lol
DianeA:
yes and there's plenty in ocean
DianeA:
FIRE INDUSTRY
Boo:
Can't have Natural Selection fast enough, human intervention on proper thinning is need.
DianeA:
alot like prison industry
eddie515:
We don't want to run out of bait fish
sflow:
hell no
DianeA:
solution: smelt fish farms SIMPLE CHEAP
sflow:
thn how do we catch them with fake plugs and rubber lol !
DianeA:
US F&W did studies and proved that F1 hybrids of barred owl x spotted owl ARE FERTILE
DianeA:
What was preceived BY IDIOTS as predation was BREEDING by the two
eddie515:
Like closing the trout hatcheries on the Klamath will help the fish??
sflow:
coool
DianeA:
THey are the same species if they can interbreed and produce fertile young
Boo:
GEOENGINEERING
DianeA:
thus the spotted owl has its own perservation plan interbreeding with the stronger barred owl and is learning better adaptation behavior from barred owls
eddie515:
But our children won't see a purebread Spotted Owl
DianeA:
so the feds are shooting and killing them!!!!! WTH?
sflow:
sounds like what the govt wants to do .select breeding lol !!!!
DianeA:
if a f1 and f1 breed - purebred spotted owls will be 25%
sflow:
lol the white race lol
eddie515:
We know best redman
sflow:
play god lol
eddie515:
No disrespect intended
sflow:
gmo food gmo animals
sflow:
lets play god and change the world lol
eddie515:
Is it fixable?
eddie515:
When we have so much policy?
DianeA:
categorical exclusions can be exempt to full NEPA right?
sflow:
why not stop f-in now lol !!!!
eddie515:
We need a study!
sflow:
a course a testtube lol
sflow:
i robots lol
eddie515:
I'm losing hope
sflow:
the giant afarican snail in fla
eddie515:
Nobody can profit
eddie515:
Profit is a bad thing on public land
DianeA:
they only swoop in due to legal fees given by feds
sflow:
can ywe eat them yummmy hehe
DianeA:
and capitulation - sue & settle BS
DianeA:
sometimes 4 years
eddie515:
Nuts!
eddie515:
It's the American way now
DianeA:
equal justice act - or something like that - end it and this will end
sflow:
a little butter ,garlic oil ,salt and pepper hehe
DianeA:
on snails
sflow:
yummmmmmmmm
DianeA:
escargot yum!
sflow:
yep
eddie515:
You heartless snail hater
sflow:
i have purge the snails in my yard and they have been yummmy hehe!!!!
eddie515:
With a side of Kale?
Boo:
It's important to have roots.
sflow:
hot sauce hehe
Boo:
In today's complex world, it pays to branch out.
sflow:
like oysters hehe
Erin:
In honor of Humboldt County let's talk about SLUGS!!!! Bring on the salt!!!!
DianeA:
Its better to use funds for fire prevention (thining = $$$ revenue) than on fire fighting
Boo:
Sometimes you have to shed your old bark in order to grow.
DianeA:
but fire industry doesnt want prevention oh noooooo
Erin:
When we lived in Seattle as little kids we each had out own salt shaker. It was tons of fun.
Erin:
fire industry wants more fire because it is a HUGE industry right now.
sflow:
never tryed slugs erin .are they yummy ?¿?!!!!!
Boo:
If the party gets boring, just leaf.
DianeA:
i sprinkled on my ex-boyfrend but he didn't shrivel up - could have sworn he was a SLUG
eddie515:
LOL
sflow:
do you mean burn some leaves boo hehe ?¿? !!!!
DianeA:
No more lookout towers by the way!!!
Boo:
Depends where you sprinkled it.
DianeA:
lol
sflow:
lol
DianeA:
where are the lookouts eh?
sflow:
they need to bring back thw wattowers
Boo:
No lookouts, using drones
eddie515:
I guess once a fire blows through, no more need for a tower
DianeA:
bring back towers!
sflow:
amen
DianeA:
the USFS no longer wants to be IN THE FOREST!
sflow:
now they rent them out :_(
DianeA:
they are all behind a desk
Boo:
Todd, you are very quiet?
DianeA:
they can still rent them out and sta them - win win
DianeA:
forest management is no loner the main goal
DianeA:
no longer
Erin:
Have they taken them out of Trinity Diane?
DianeA:
yes
sflow:
donit know if todd still in the chatroom boo boo
Boo:
Oxymoron Forest Managment does not exist.
DianeA:
I think there MAY be two left but trinity is the size of Texas
Boo:
Har
DianeA:
they say flying planes overhead with infrered is substituting for towers - such BS
Erin:
Until we roll back the equal access to justice act we won't see forest management
sflow:
they need the towers back damit
DianeA:
Tell DOug to get on it towers AND equal justice
Erin:
Bill and I had tons of fun at the tower
eddie515:
Southfork tower is now gone as well
Boo:
They do have a small bed in those towers Erin
sflow:
hehe bad girl
eddie515:
No comment!
sflow:
lol
Boo:
John Revolta
sflow:
lol
DianeA:
the USFS always surrenders in these suits
sflow:
your show needs to be longer you two !!!
eddie515:
$$$$$$$$$$$
Divinemzm:
Thank you Ray for being on the program today.
Boo:
Ditto
DianeA:
now they want the fisher which is NOT a native animal
Erin:
I'll tell him. We think he is awesome and I'd love to do another show with him
sflow:
go from the 10 to11 slot and be 3hre please !!!!!!
DianeA:
unintended consequences but lawyers know and put it there intentionally
Boo:
Have to give my cat a bath, I hate it when the fur sticks to my tongue....
eddie515:
Call and tell Carl
Boo:
Great show....adios
DianeA:
control burn fires are responsible for some major fires here in CA
sflow:
there are soo many, none native plants here lol
Erin:
Bill HATES cats. Don't give him your address!
eddie515:
Good luck with that
sflow:
look at the kudzoo in the south lol
eddie515:
Mother earth knows best
sflow:
dam straight
eddie515:
We have the technology to kick start the process
sflow:
no we can only change it lol
sflow:
playing god again
DianeA:
forest mismanangement
eddie515:
Bye Bye folks
DianeA:
bye everyone!